>> you know, joel, i don't know if you have a sense of kind of flashback that he is in the position in a lot of ways that hillary clinton, your candidate in 2016, was. how do you think he's navigating that position as differently, or is he navigating it differently than secretary clinton did? >> i don't think he's navigating it that differently at all, and i think that's what's giving a lot of heartache to a lot of establishment democrats who feel like they're seeing a replay of 3 1/2 years ago. and that is with all due respect to my former boss, the former secretary of state. donald trump can run the same campaign against joe biden that he ran against hillary clinton. he can literally take the playbook from 2016, dust it off, replace, you know, emails and clinton foundation with ukraine and hunter biden, you know, insert control delete and just run the exact same campaign. i think that's what's got a lot of democrats concerned. that's not to say that joe biden can't beat donald trump, but