castro, the name identity is not there. it was an opportunity to say hey, look at me. i was part of the obama administration and here's what i'm doing. i think that's what that was. i don't think so there was anything else except to say you're not the only one. look at me. i'm also part of the obama administration. that was part interesting and i was okay, good for him. but the attack on joe biden, we saw eric swalwell do that and that was not a smart move. the thing about castro, i do think he's brought in some really substantive conversations, immigration, racial, talking about racial issues. but that moment, i think it's going hurt him. . >> let's play what anita dunn. i do remember who anita done is.