efforts to consolidate what he sees as his borders and russian security. so i think avoiding that frozen conflict situation, that unresolved poisonous move by putin is crucial and i'm not sure the administration has a clear plan yet for how to deal with that. they want to make russia feel the pain. make this difficult. make it hurt enough that putin has to give it up, but as we've seen, putin's not a leader who gives up easily and the russian people have shown in all the wars they've fought, that anybody bets on them quitting because the going gets rough makes a bad bet. >> we're losing our connection, david. we're about to see the joint news conference in washington. that seems like it should be imminent given that we gave the