subject of a civil suit, but importantly, he links up his behavior with that of the oath keepers and the proud boys. i think that is an avenue that ought to be explored by criminal prosecutors because there is a statute that makes it a crime to conspire with others to intimidate or prevent someone from doing their job, who is a federal officer, and that person in this case is mike pence. so even if he didn't intend to incite the riot, if he was just trying to intimidate mike pence with his conduct there, that could be not only the basis for a civil suit but also criminal charges. >> charlie, i read this opinion but it's so obviously true that it almost seems kind of redundant to say, but i will say this judge has a colorful way with words, compares trump's january 6th rally speech to telling an excited mob that corn-dealers starve the poof in front of corn-dealer's home. nice turn after phrase. i like that. and compelling. do you think that -- where do you think this is headed in terms of both the legal and political implications of it? does it matter to trump? does this have any real impact?