all right. we are back. you can see shannon is in place. evelyn is in place. ambassador mcfaul is in place. i'm here. someone is missing. that is the president of the united states. we have been anticipating that he would join us sometime at about 4:00 this afternoon. that would be not a msnbc exclusive. in the discussions of ukraine and russia. shannon, tell me where we are on this thing. there's a security conference in munich. active discussions with the president, secretary of state. there are negotiations or discussions that continue to go on between our highest level secretary of state and sergei lavrov. what's happening with discussions? are they discussions or negotiations? >> i guess people are still