if they discover now what they were given is wrong they would say don't rely on those and that's what attorney general james is doing for the last two years is going point by point line by line through those things trying to figure out can i drill down to a concrete fact here that proves this was wrong? >> barbara, can you pull the thread forward for us? if he has to sit for the a deposition and ivanka and don jr., what is the sanction, the accountability to face if all this is proven? >> if they can prove fraud then this is a civil case that the attorney general can bring. so the consequences there could be money damages. if there are back taxes owed, if there were victims here, lenders not making the loans who lost money in the deal they have to