potentially, with mccarthy, with perry, with jordan, with other house members that we don't have with a steve bannon, for example, or mark meadows. that's because the house can control its own members, discipline its own members. so there are other options then a the criminal contempt route. we haven't decided on what options to use, but there is an ability of the house to essentially police its own that we will have to consider. >> steve schmidt, no one ever accused kevin mccarthy of being good at strategery. and betsy's point about whipping up opposition to the katko deal that i believe succeeded in meeting all the requirements that house republican leadership set out to meet in that bipartisan commission. they wanted joint authority bipartisan authority and sign-off over all subpoenas.