about a strong man who finds a flunky that is willing to aaced to their most outrageous demands. they go up the ladder past what their skills, their talent and what their experience would call for because they're willing to go to extreme ends on behalf of the president. so you know, i would defer to the other legal experts on the panel on what they would face and what his defense might be. to kinsinger's point on a political standpoint, he was clearly part and parcel of a multifaceted coup attempt. it might have been a ridiculous one. a preposterous one. might have had crazy characters like the my pillow man involved in it. but it was one. and it was inside the doj with clark outside with the folks at claremont. it was in the states with what