what happened, the deadly insurrection, should we understand what this deal was about, if it's the real thing? >> well, is it likely that we ever would? probably not. because this is going to be a private conversation among these folks ask. they are all going to characterize it differently. and i think it would be hard. i am looking at this just from a pure, is there legally something here that either congress or law enforcement could get their hands around? i don't think there is. make no mistake. if you want to look where a lot of the dark money comes from in some extreme campaigns i know peter thiel was a josh hawley sporter, jd vance supporter in ohio and writing checks that most americans could only dream of having to move extreme folks into political positions. but what i wanted to make one comment on, nicole, as we talk