institution wants to support a bipartisan infrastructure bill and sizable, i guess the question is how sizable, reconciliationill. >> i wonder, the first piece, i guess i am old enough to remember what a political loser it was for republicans to play chicken and i wonder what you think has changed that they think it is a political winner to lead the country to the brink, to a shutdown. >> what they see is a democratic president, democratic majority in the house and very narrow democratic majority in the senate. that's all that matters. they're gambling if there is volatility in markets, they can point at the democrats and say they control everything, never mind that they sort of set up what would be that sort of financial volatility. it is galling to me. before i came here, it was speaker nancy pelosi taking you back to ancient history, you had a president george w. bush, hank paulson, treasury secretary, you remember this back in '08, the republican psidentnd his