his pattern as someone on the world stage isn't to align himself with traditional u.s. allies, who fight side by side against america -- i mean, you know, his whole thing with nato is they don't give enough. they fight alongside our soldiers when we go to war. i mean, what is it about him that so rejects everything that has always been in the national interest? >> it's -- it's his own ideas of what he thinks bravery or heroism are. let's remember what he described about senator jon mccain. he preferred war heroes who weren't captured. he didn't serve in the military himself. that's all right. a lot of presidents haven't. but he seems to have no real sense of conduct. of duty and honor that -- that the u.s. military and all of its branches, the vast, vast majority, supermajority as you said, behave in that way. and he doesn't. he sort of -- he sees them as serving himself. not the nation but himself. and he rewards acts of bravery or those that are touted on fox and friends. >> unbelievable. phil rucker, thank you for spending some time with us.