be convincing that this government represented real change in ukraine, the statement should include specific reference to burisma and 2016. again, there was no mention of vice president biden in these conversations. ambassador sondland and i discussed the points and i ended the statement drafted by mr. yermoc to include the points to see how it looked. i then discussed it further with mr. yermoc. he said for a number of reasons including the fact that he was still officially the prosecutor general, that they did not want to mention burisma and 2016 and the idea of putting out a statement were shefld. these are the last conversations i had about this statement which were on or about august 17 to 18. my last contact with mr. giuliani according to my records is on august 13th until he tried to reach me on september 20th after the impeachment inquiry was launched. at this time that, is to say in