there was, and they can't seem to figure out how to defend the president. now we're seeing in this republican memo that has come out today that the argument is about the president's state of mind. can you prove that he had culpability? can you prove that in his mind he wanted to commit wrongdoing? >> but they're not on trial. >> this is a political process. >> right, this is a political process. all they have to do -- this is where they're missing their opportunity to be trumpy. this is not a criminal proceeding. you do not have to, beyond a reasonable doubt, prove criminal intent. they were not hemmed in by the things that restrained them in the mueller probe, and they're doing worse. let's just go through who is in each corner here. mick mulvaney is the white house chief of staff, so i think technically on an org chart probably the most powerful person, but they never made him such. he is an acting and i think he has a couple other jobs.