looking through some of these transcripts. i'd rather talk to you than listen to mike pence, but he can't answer yes-or-no questions. so he's asked by a reporter, were you ever aware, mr. vice president, of interest in the bidens? he doesn't say yes or no. he says, i never discussed the issue with the bidens. he said, were you aware? he says, what i can tell you. it would seem mike pompeo, secretary of the state, i already used chicken poo-poo so i'm not going to use it again, mike pompeo and vice president pence are not answering yes-or-no questions. they are not describing donald trump's conduct as perfect the way donald trump is, and at the same time, they're not defending all of the executive branch officials who work for them including a military aide who is at this hour on capitol hill testifying about the facts. >> yeah, but, and the one thing that is different in the way that the vice president and secretary of state respond to these questions is the vice president is at least more pleasant about it. he doesn't seem to -- >> this is true. >> -- get agitated by the questions. >> this is true. >> even if he's not answering them. and, but he's not, and you're