washington post" late last thursday night to have, quote, gone ballistic when he learned about sort of the depth and extent to which rudy giuliani was going around the process. if i obba hill apparently -- fiona hill apparently testified today about rudy giuliani's campaign to smear and ultimately remove marie yovanovitch. donald trump ultimately acted upon rudy giuliani's business goals which he is now under investigation by the southern district of new york for pursuing. do you think that donald trump could be under investigation by more than congress? >> well, i don't know the legalities but i want to underscore something you just said about bolton and correct the record about one thing you said, nicole. you said nobody's ever heard of all these people. i have heard of them all. i've known them all for decades, except for two. rudy giuliani and ambassador sondland. and that's the point. democrats, republicans, even political appointees, fiona was originally appointed by president bush to work at the