reportedly provided advice to the ukrainian leadership about how to, quote, navigate the demands that the president had made of zelensky. now rick stengel, would seem based on his testimony or his deposition today that what he's trying to articulate is that he was telling them all to steer clear. >> you know i've been talking about ukraine for a long time. my book which is out next week begins in ukraine. i just want to explain something what volker was experiencing. i love ukraine. they are fabulous people. they have suffered more than anybody on earth. they are an incredibly corrupt society since they became free of the soviet union in 1991. what prosecutors meant in ukraine is, oh, eugene, i'm about to prosecute you in something, but i am about to pay you off. i imagine telling rudy giuliani is these guys will tell you anything.