investigation, and i believe rushed forward to try to reach some sort of a conclusion before i could retire. >> joyce, is that the kind of thing that might give a grand jury pause if they heard that? >> you know what? yeah. i don't know that that will give a grand jury pause. and of course the grand jury wouldn't get to hear former director mccabe's side of the story. what the grand jury hears is the prosecution's side of the story and the prosecution's side of the evidence. so although a lot of the process here was very irregular, this sort of a candor finding against an agent is something that you would expect would be resolved as an employment matter, not a criminal matter. if it's true that the grand jury rejected this case, it's because the government didn't even have probable cause to move forward as opposed to the sort of proof beyond a reasonable doubt they would need at trial to convict. and let me explain and say that probable cause, what prosecutors have to prove to a grand jury to