thing that he must feel that he has to deliver on. but i have to tell you, his base is not going to go anywhere. he does misinformation campaigns or stories all the time. he will tell them the wall is there as he has been doing and they will believe it. i'm just not quite sure that he needs this wall, but he seems to feel that it is something that needs to happen. >> well, i think if you talk to the president's supporters at the next rally, a lot of them would tell you if you're being scammed, they're saying, look, you're missing the point. we don't take him at his word when he says mexico is going to pay for the wall. and i think it's true, whether he builds the wall or not, they will stay with him. he's a little more insecure about that and wants to get that thing done. but a lot of it is seeing people get aggravated, seeing him frustrate fact checkers and people who don't like the wall.