much attention to him. i thought he would make a few jokes and that was it. but every time he opened his mouth and he lied and he lost me for sure at helsinki when he stood in front of the world and said i'm with putin, he's my friend, i don't like my intelligence community. that was it and i have never, ever gone back. >> what do you think the best and most effective way, because the idea of his fitness -- >> he's nuts. nuts. >> the truth is that whether people say it disparagingly or affectionately, anyone who comes in contact with him comes away saying he's crazy but this is a hard story to cover and hard attack to make. what are sort of your proof points? >> he's a psychopath, he lies every time he opens his mouth, he's the big of the narcissist we ever had in that office and that's saying a lot, john. at every turn, nicolle, he's put his own interest ahead of the country's interest. like a 5-year-old child he did not want what russia did to come