quiet and whispered, and he said, "red blood." and i remember -- >> mommy was wearing blood? >> wow. chills up and down my spine. because i thought wow, this kid saw this. >> did you believe him or did you think he was reciting a movie he'd seen or something? >> i knew. i could tell from the way he delivered it all that it was what he had seen. it was just -- i've interviewed -- i'm sorry. i've interviewed lots of kids. but this was, i knew, such a huge moment, and it was always like when he would talk about these things he would whisper. when he was talking about the things that were so horrible that he'd seen. >> is there any doubt in your mind that he saw his father shoot his mother? >> no. and i said, you can take it to the bank. >> you took it as literally true?