that is proven and documented. i was in a position to attack his credibility, that was very hard. >> it was chuck who forged bobs, wilson martha and. she went along with it because of the content of the whale was what bob wanted. >> that was initially chuck's idea? >> it was chuck's idea, he did it. you acknowledged they had gone along with that. >> i did go along with it. >> she had no idea, she said, that chuck was planning to take those awful pictures. and one question about the flashy government job she told bob sister kathy about in washington d.c., martha and simply scoffed and said it was a joke. >> i mean, it was just a hoax that's all in the world that was. it was a hoax to, more or less, get her to stop bugging me. >> attorney rodgers took martha and back to the day bob died and a normal day, she said.