and, you know, it was very hard for the jury to have sympathy for him. >> and they didn't. the jury found him guilty in about 35 minutes. first-degree murder and burglary. next was frank jaramillo. >> he said that he wouldn't have done it had schockner not threatened his wife and his in-laws. >> so this was -- he did it out of fear then. >> yeah, he said, literally, he said on the stand that he had sacrificed his life for his family, when we all know that he had sacrificed lynn schockner's life for his pocketbook. >> but that was his defense. >> it was his defense. >> the verdict, guilty of first-degree murder. and now it was fred's turn. >> and the man had aged at least ten years. he looked so frail. >> but this wasn't over just yet. when fred schockner took the witness stand, he told the jury he could explain everything. do tell. coming up -- >> he was very defiant and completely maintained his innocence. >> will the jury believe him? >> i had a moment of just sitting there and started crying.