roughly. >> i have no idea. it was over a period of a long time. >> and so we wanted to key in on him. how much money did you have? how much money did you spend? where did the money come from? and things of that nature. he was very vague. it became pretty frustrating. >> did you set up steven's trust fund? >> you lost me. >> did you set up steven's trust fund? >> steven took care of his own stuff. >> did you ever help steven with his finances after his father's estate sold? >> ask steven. >> okay. >> did you ever get any money from steven and put it into your account? >> we passed money back and forth. >> how many times did you receive money from steven? was it more than once? >> i don't remember. >> do you remember how much money you got from steven in total? >> no, no. >> you don't? >> he was very vague. i believe he talked to us thinking he was going to outsmart us in that interview. >> was he trying to prevent you from getting him on the record,