behind his back or in front? >> he likes his hands at the back because -- >> now, here, he had been tied up in the homicide. >> right. >> did you think, well, is this a sex game gone wrong? >> we brought it up to her and i confronted her with that during the interview. >> ben is found in a way that he enjoys sexually -- >> no, no, no, no. when i left ben -- >> uh-huh. >> he was not tied up. >> i just found it odd that the way he finds pleasurable he is killed in the same way. >> because she was the spouse, the questions for narcy got sharper as the night wore on. was she in on the murderer? >> if i'm being asked if i let anybody in, no i don't let them in. >> all the while may had been outside eves dropping on her mother's interrogation, getting chills. >> may said to me that somebody told her it was a blood bath. i don't remember anything blood. blood is red. >> just listening to her talk to