was no plausible argument for the defense. they're arguing obviously that this was motivated by the fact that ahmaud arbery was committing a crime and not his skin color. how do they turn it around? >> is working with your clients. and lawyers are incredibly bad at this to such a degree that people specialize in witness preparation. you've got to get them to take the stand and say i fully admit i'm racist and i'm entitled to my racist views however, they did not motivate me on this occasion. make the clear that is an uphill battle in this case but that's the only chance you have of turning this round if you're the defense. >> as always, thank you for your analysis on this. that does it for me this busy hour. i'll be back tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. eastern and you can catch me weekdays 3:00 to 5:00 p.m.