here's what she had to say. >> is it reasonable to expect that we will reach a point with this virus where it feels less like a deadly pandemic and more like the flu? >> i do think so. i think that as we use vaccines, what we're effectively doing is taming the virus. we're taking off the table its abilities to put people in the hospital, and kill us. >> so the vaccines are bringing those numbers down. the other thing that's bringing the numbers down as well, and it is worth mentioning, is that a lot of unvaccinated people contracted the virus and now they have antibodies. it's a tough way to get there, but it means less people could potentially be susceptible to the virus this winter. >> that's a good point. a very good point. doctor, i want to play something we heard from our good friend doctor ashish shaw.