to get permission to stay here or to become a citizen. not that the ethnic hatred ab e abates nor the fear. meet marge. marge is running for the state legislature in florida. we can do what she remembers they did when she was a little girl in the '40s. >> they built camps for the people that snuck into the country because they were illegal. they put them in the camps and they shipped them back. >> well, no, that didn't happen, but she wants to do it now. internment camps. and the real story of aqua buddha. >> they blindfolded me and made me bow down to aqua buddha. it may be just a college prank, but you don't even remember that, right? >> i'm not going to try to go back 27 years and try to remember everything i did in college. >> tonight in a world exclusive, the true story from aqua buddha, because there's something about an aqua buddha man. all the news and commentary now on "countdown." good evening from new york. when it came time to invade, republicans used cherry-picked intelligence to make the case for war in iraq. now they're using cherry-picked intelligence to wage war on the middle class. in our fifth story, without the cloak of national security to hide behind, republicans are about to meet one member of the middle class who is fighting back. we asked him to come on tonight, because it is the first time in this blame the unemployed strategy from the right that we can recall republicans targeting an individual american. for months, republican politicians have argued that extending unemployment benefits will slow job growth,ç because americans would rather take a handout. >> you're clearly going to dampen past that growth if you basically keep an economy which encourages people to, rather than go out and look for work, to stay on unemployment. >> continuing to pay people unemployment compensation is a disincentive for them to seek new work. >> two republican candidates for senate have gone further and said that americans should start accepting lower salaries. >> when you continue to extend unemployment benefits, people really don't have the incentive to go take other jobs. you know, they'll just wait the system out until their benefits run out, then they'll go out and take, probably not as high-paying jobs as they would like to take, but that's how you have to get back to work. >> you can make more money on unemployment than you can going down and getting one of those jobs that is an honest job, but it doesn't pay as much. and so that's what's happened to us, is that we have put in so much entitlement into our government that we really have spoiled our citizenry. >> it is the continuation of president bush's economic philosophy that american workers should keep working into their old age, that working, you know, three jobs just to make ends meet is fantastic. >> i'm a divorced single mother with three grown adult children. i have one child, robby, who is mentally challenged, and i have two daughters. >> fantastic. i mean, we are living longer and people are working longer, and the truth of the matter is, elderly baby boomers have got a lot to offer to our society. and we shouldn't think about giving up our responsibilities in society. isn't that right? >> that's right. >> you don't have to worry. >> that's good, because i work three jobs and i feel like i contribute -- >> you work three jobs? >> three jobs, yes. >> uniquely american, isn't it? i mean, that is fantastic. that you're doing that. >> yes. thank you. >> get any sleep? >> not much. not much. >> but now as we mentioned, republicans have targeted one individual american who's struggling to make ends meet and held him up as part of the problem. former house speaker newt gingrich writing yesterday, quote, the extension of unemployment benefits has given people a perverse incentive to stay on unemployment rather than accept a job. he continued,ç "the wall stree journal" quotes an engineer who admits he turned down more than a dozen offers because the salary would have been less than he made on welfare. this story encapsulates the problem of the long-term unemployed, the depth and length of this recession is at risk of creating a permanent pool of unemployed americans who get so used to being unproductive that they are willing to accept welfare indefinitely instead of taking a job. the man who turned down those offers will tell his own side of the story in just a minute and the reasons for turning down a job are not always as simple as mr. gingrich is. "the journal" interviewed rick about his difficulty finding a jobs. he says, the jobs include starting pay of about $30,000 a year. he speculates that americans might be hesitant to move to dubai where the jobs are based. speculates. you might add other possible reasons for giving up a job. such as, saving the country. or because republicans thought you unfit to work. this as "the new york times" reports that yet another republican politician, south carolina's governor mark sanford has been approved by the department of labor to accept stimulus money targeted to expanding that state's unemployment benefits. an expansion governor sanford once predicted would cause tax increases, but which now appears to have embraced wholeheartedly -- he nows appears to have done so, signing the bill two months ago, expanding those unemployment benefits for his state to the tune of $98 million. governor sanford joining the ranks of other governors who once denounced such stimulus spenting before they embraced it, such as george heinemann of nebraska and sonny purdue. despite the rush of republicans to embrace the stimulus, most americans seem to have forgotten that it was their party, not president obama's that bailed out wall street banks. a new poll finding that more americans, 47% think president obama signed the troubled asset relief program, t.a.r.p., into law, only 34% know it was actually, shh, president bush who did it. and now as promised, "countdown" exclusive, the man singled out by former speaker gingrich, because he in gingrich's words, admits he turned down more than a dozen offers because the salary would have been less than he made on welfare, mike hatchel joining us from his home, along with his wife, sarah. 11-year-old wyatt unfortunately visiting family in california, although thrilled, i'm sure, we're showing his science achievement award on national tv tonight. mike and sarah, thank for joining us tonight. >> thank you, keith. how are you? >> let me start with your bio, mike. you're at 52 years old now, former law enforcement officer. used to have your own business as a mechanic. you were employed for 59 weeks, collected $450 a week in benefits and mr. gingrich suggests you got used to being unproductive. if that's not true, why did you turn down so many job offers? >> keith, it's really hard for someone like mr. gingrich to understand the fact that when you have a mortgage, off family to support, you have car payments, insurance, everything else that when you're going out and looking for a job, you know, and obviously, it was a job, different jobs that i was looking at that were going to play probably half of what i'm used to making. that was the situation. when they're offering me these jobs, they're saying, this is going to be a situation where we're going to start you out at the entry level wage. and i, obviously, i've got some 32 years of experience in the automotive business and it was hard for me to do that, looking at 40 hours at $7.75 an hour, total $310, $320 a week. after you pay taxes, everything that comes out, social security and everything else, you might be $275, $t265 or something lik that. i was drawing unemployment of $450 a week, which i actually paid into since i was a young man. you know, probably at least 35 years. and i felt like that, well, it's unemployment insurance, it's not welfare, mr. gingrich has spoken about. and i felt like, well, until such time as i can actually get a gainful job that's going to help me keep my house, keep my family fed, not necessarily anything other -- expensive, nothing, just doing those basic things, i was not going to take any other job. >> theyç seemed to leave out t idea that it is insurance and you did pay into pinpoint that's sort of -- pay now and don't get it later. >> yes, sir. >> if you had taken those lower-paying jobs, your family would be considerably worse off now than it actually is, correct? >> yes, sir. i would hate to even think. with a mortgage payment, if you don't make the mortgage, they'll come take the house and we would be out on the streets, god knows doing what. but you know, it's just unreal. that's all you can do, is try to do the best you can. and when i found a situation where i did have a better offer, of course, i took it. you know, something i knew that would work for me. >> sarah, let me ask you something, can you weigh in on how you reacted when we brought mr. gingrich's remarks to your attention today? >> i was appalled, frankly, that he would even consider welfare being a part of unemployment insurance. i saw my husband beat the streets of robison county, a very poor county, to try to find work, to save our home. it's been a really bad couple of years. >> whichever one of you wants to take this, can you give us some idea of your life financially, meaning you seem like a typical american family. how is the classic american dream looking for you right now in terms of your retirement, your son's college is coming up in the not too distant future, how's that looking? >> obviously, i mean, with the unemployment, after 59 weeks without a job, you know, the i.r.a. accounts, that got drained. we basically have no retirement other than, hopefully, the government will have social security. we all know how big that might be in the future. we're still struggling. i mean, you know, for not making enough wage and actually keeping everything up, insurance, you know, the mortgage, food on the table, you know, we actually struggle to the point where we lost one car. not able to make the two car payments, so she had a vehicle and i had a vehicle. and quite honestly, we're still behind on our mortgage. we're still trying to make that up, make sure we keep the house. just haven't been able to get to the point where we can actually catch up with the back payments that we got behind on. it's really tough, you know. and we just continue to fight. i go to work. i feel like as long as i'm working and go to work every day, things are going to get better. and i hope my wife will get a job here soon. she's been out of work even longer than i have. some 25 or 26 weeks. it's tough. it's tough in the south, as we >> last question, mike. is there anything else you would like to say to mr. gingrich or the other republicans who say that the unemployed stay that way for the benefits, that they're spoiled or lazy and should take those lower-paying jobs and get off the public dime? >> keith, i think it's no surprise to us that, as it has been for quite some time, that our politicians are going to use that word, are not in touch with the american people. especially the middle class or the lower class people, because i mean, that's the only thing that's keeping us going. when i was on unemployment, i would sit there in front of the television, read the newspaper, look online to make sure whether they were going to extend my benefits or not, so i could tell whether or not i needed to make other arrangements, maybe find some place to live or move some place that i could afford to live. and it was just, it was always tough, you know. when that's all you have to depend on, what are you going to do? your life is in their hands, pretty much. and i don't think there's anyone out there just drawing unemployment just to be drawing it. i mean, obviously, they didn't ask to be laid off, you know. and as far as i know, it's ill unemployment insurance, and we all pay into that. it should be a situation where anyone who calls it welfare, i don't understand how he even calls it welfare. while we're on the term, i don't mean to speak out of turn, keith, he was talking about this company that was trying to hire 40 engineers. >> yes. >> that particular story they read, okay, they were actually machinists that the company was trying to hire, and most of the machinists i know, i have been in the automotive field all my life, and machinists make considerably more than $13 an hour, that's what this company was offering for a machinist. i can understand why they wouldn't accept that. if they were working as machinists, i'm sure their unemployment was either at that level or more, and they were in the same situation that i was, had they taken a lesser paying job, they would have lost everything. even more so than we have. i just think that it's -- you know, washington's not in touch with the actual people, i'm afraid. that's nothing new. it's been that way since i was a young child. i wish it was different, but it's not. >> mike and sarah hatchell. i think we'll take the common sense wisdom of mike the mechanic over joe the plumber any day. we thank you for your time and for your willingness to come forward and obviously our best wishes to you and the family. thank you much. >> thank you, keith. >> thank you,ç keith, very muc. thank you for having us on. >> our pleasure. let's turn now to msnbc political analyst, howard fineman, also senior washington correspondent and political columnist for "newsweek" magazine. howard, good evening. >> hi, keith. >> when mr. gingrich drags real americans like those two fine people into this abstract argument that they've been making, what would they say now when those real americans respond back with that direct and almost inarguable eloquence that we just heard from the hatchelles? >> keith, let me say first of all, that was a sadly remarkable segment in the sense that people like that don't get a lot of airtime either. so i thought it was fascinating to listen to. and very important. i checked with the office of john boehner, who's the republican leader in the house to get a read on what they thought of newt gingrich's statement about -- and other republican politicians talking about lazy unemployment benefit recipients, and maybe it's because john boehner's from ohio, and we make a lot of fun of him here, about him here, but he said, his people said that was an argument that he would not make. he's got fiscal concerns, but boehner's not going to say these people are lazy, because boehner's from ohio, and i think he probably knows a little bit what the reality of the economic situation is there. >> do the hatchells, though, sort of represent a living portrait of what the republicans have been trying to do since at least the reagan area? i mean, husband and wife are working, retirement age is coming up, they're still behind an eight ball and it's hard to see the next generation doing better, but the republicans are working to extend tax cuts for the richest 2% while these people's lives are going to hell? >> well, keith, there's still a lot of power in the idea that everybody can make it. and that everybody can make it big. in other words, one version of the american dream. there are many, that's one of them. but the sad fact is that if you look at the statistics, and i've been looking at them, basically for the last generation, the middle class in america has basically been stagnant in terms of climbing a ladder and it's also true that the united states, which used to be the ultimate land of opportunity now has less economicç upward mobility than a lot of other countries, even old countries in europe. you know, we think of europe as a static, medieval archaic society. in some instances, in some places, they have more upward mobility than we do now, so that dream is hollow to a lot of people and we just heard a couple of them. >> briefly on the pew poll, a third know that it was president bush that signed the bank bailout, not president obama or president imaginary. meanwhile, we have governor sanford pumping almost $100 million in stimulus money into his state that he had decried last year. are democrats dropping the ball on the messaging here? and if not, how did we get through the proverbial looking glass on public understanding of all this stuff? >> well, it's the -- it's a phoney argument about small government versus big government. george w. bush is one of the biggest big government presidents ever, in terms of everything from child left behind to the wars in iraq and afghanistan to the prescription drug benefit, you name it. spent trillions. that was big government, republican style. i think the argument that the democrats have to make, and that i thought obama was going to make, was about smart government. instead, he's got himself into this argument about government versus no government. that's a completely phony argument. most americans are beyond that, or never considered that ideological divide. the case being the people you just had on. they know that government has a role in american society. they want it to be administered fairly. they want to get what's due to them. they want nothing more than that. that's what the democrats should stand for. >> msnbc political analyst, howard fineman of "newsweek," as ever, thank, howard. >> thank you, keith. if you were under the impression that the crisis in the gulf is more or less over, you're falling victim to yet another ploy from bp and parts of the government. a new and bitter truth emerging now on this day 115. the latest group of victims, physically and psychologically traumatized now and for years to come, the children of the gulf coast, next on "countdown." tough to get enough servings of vegetables every day if you don't always like the taste of them. good thing v8 v-fusion juice gives you a serving of vegetables hidden by a serving of fruit. 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>> there's no question about it. we're looking at kids that are still suffering from katrina's effects and the disaster's recovery there, still, thousands of children affected. i expect that the oil capping is not going to make a difference to thousands of people down in plaquemines and the other counties near the spill, because we're seeing so much evidence now of a tremendous amount of distress and anxiety among the kids as well as their parents. >> is that exacerbated by the concern that the crisis is being sort of figuratively wiped away now that some of it has been wiped away by the stopping of the gusher? >> people are tripping all over themselves to declare the crisis over, the disaster over. that's very, very far from the case. that mere fact is very disturbing to parents, because they know what they're dealing with. they're dealing with kids with serious psychological problems, medical problems and so forth. furthermore, these are the same people who were traumatized by katrina and a failing recovery from katrina. and in the back of their minds, they're worried about the possibility of a hurricane this season. anesthes so these are very, very concerned people that will need help for a long time. >> so you've got five separate psychological components in play here. the original disaster of katrina, the post traumatic disorder that would follow that, the bad recovery from that, thiç disaster, and now the sudden sense that we're now being abandoned again and the media coverage has been shut off and the urgency of it has been shut off. >> exactly. and this is incredibly worrisome to family who is live down there, and those of us who are providing care there. we've been there since katrina in that region, we've provided 100,000 free visits to children, medical and mental health. and now we're seeing this secondarily traumatized population. but like you're saying, with those five factors, this is unchartered territory. many ways, we have no idea really what's going to the happen with these kids. but we do know they need assessment and interventions and they'll need support. this is an area that's highly medically underserved, before the oil spill. so now people are driving an hour and a half, maybe to get to a pediatrician, but it's really tough getting the help that they need. >> the notion that the crisis there is over. you and i spoke about this before the show started. we would be expecting bp to be invested in getting this over as quickly as possible, but bp is getting some help in your opinion? >> well, you know, the federal government would like this to be over as quickly as possible also, and then there's a whole series of political nuances, maybe not nuances, but political realities that everyone's facing. in some ways, you sort of get the sense that the governor of louisiana wouldn't mind for it to sort of continue a while. he's been making quite a show of himself, participating in whatever they're going to be doing down there. but the fact of the matter is, there's a general sense that everybody wants this over, which, of course, the parents do as well, except their dealing with real-life problems. it's their children, it's their families, it's the instability of their communities that's really troublesome. >> triangulating the problems now down there for the kids, you said this is uncharted territory, if they're facing some physical problems and they're facing these psychological problems, plus a sense that the environment that they understand has been changed in some real way, that has scared the adults, this is -- what happens when all three of those things come together in a group of children in an area? >> well, it's really difficult for children to absorb all that. 20% of the families are seriously talking about leaving the region permanently. this is a place where three, four, five generations have lived. once it reaches the kitchen table, so to speak, and the families, and not only the kids worried and experiencing the anxiety, loss of livelihood and everything else that's unstable, but now to here mom and dad say, maybe we have to leave here, maybe we'll never come back, that's really kind of a capper difficult for a lot of children to deal with. >> in the area roughly of war refugees, people clearing out in advance of an attack, is that what we're talking about? >> well, this is a different kind of -- this is a very special kind of, you know, displacement that people are feeling now. and when you become disconnected from the place that you're used to or it's become destroyed, and in many places, you go down there and it looks okay until you get up close. then there's oil everywhere, in the marshes, under the service of the water, and it's destroyed at of the economic possibilities for families, this becomes a major crisis that is going to trouble children and families for the foreseeable future. >> dr. irwin redlenner, a great thanks for coming. once again, the goal, a two-day health clinic in new orleans august 31st and september 1st, go to www.freeclinics.us to contribute. a virtual war against the residents of the gulf and the unemployed should not overshadow the one against immigrants. it can happen anytime. an everyday moment can turn romantic at a moment's notice. and when it does, men with erectile dysfunction can be more confident in their ability to be ready with cialis for daily use. cialis for daily use is a clinically proven, low-dose tablet you take every day, so you can be ready anytime the moment's right for you and your partner. tell your doctor about your medical condition and all medications and ask if you're healthy enough for sexual activity. don't take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. don't drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed back ache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than 4 hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, stop taking cialis and call your doctor right away. ask your doctor if cialis for daily use is right for you. for a 30-tablet free trial offer, go to cialis.com. the reshlg research is in on anchor baby and confirms the slowest way to become a citizen is have your baby born here first. last photograph tweeted of himself, dave looks strange in that picture. tweeted today, retweeted to me by lady kayaker. stop issuing building permits for mosques? instead, stop issuing marriage permits for gingrich. he issued the equivalent of a fatwa, doubled down telling every single mosque is a potential terror training center or recruitment center for jihad, which i guess is true in the same sense that catholic churches in upstate new york were potential terror training centers for timothy mcveigh. it's both nuts. let's play oddball. beginning in pittsburgh, here's gary matthews. boy, the days from t phillies. he doesn't look quite as good. he's one sad puppy after having a request to change his name denied. why was it denied, he's not a dog. he requested to have his name changed to boomer the dog. neither the dog tag or the ears was enough to convince the judge. even the dog suit he walks around did not sway the suit. that looks like the old "outer limits" budget. so anyway for now, gary matthews is just gary matthews, at least until he files an appeal to roll over the decision. ha-ha! welcome to england. the bristol international balloon fiesta. over 300,000 people expected to attend. it's been held every year since 1979. pilots from the ukraine decided to hold their own. anybody who saw python's golden age of ballooning is the name of the brothers who invented the hot air balloon. there's also a book called "the golden age of ballooning," published by the bbc. it's priced five pounds and failure to buy it will make you liable to a 50 pound fine. there's a record of someone reading "the goldenç age of ballooning." available from the bbc, priced 15 pounds or five months imprisonment. finally, to austria, vienna, in fact. the debut of a newborn baby elephant. just 246 pounds and cute and healthy. no names yet. there's not much more to the story, but it gives us an excuse to do this. ♪ ♪ >> yeah. we sort of get it. anchor babies. the latest scourge of the racist right. turns out only 4,000 illegal immigrants are allowed to stay here each year because they've had children here. and they have to have been here for at least a decade. why the hysteria? because it's what they want to believe. stunning numbers recently released about the children of illegal immigrants. and in our third story, stunning mostly in the way they will be misused for anti-immigrant hyster hysteria. even though the data proved that the so-called anchor baby is the slowest and least efficient means for an undocumented alien to stay in this country. approximately 8% of children born in the u.s. in 2008 had at least one parent who was an illegal immigrant. that according to a study published by the nonpartisan pew research center. the study was based on census figures dating to march 2009. and it found that 7% of all people in the country younger than 18 years old were children of one or more illegal immigrants. the study immediately prompted this from the director of a research group that advocates reduced immigration. "what the pew estimate underlines is that this is a big problem. it really is a subversion of national independence for peoplç who break into your country, then to demand that their kids become u.s. citizens." except that the study does not reseal any such thing. it found that more than 80% of the illegal immigrants who gave birth in this country had been here for at least one year. more than half, more than 50% had been here five years or more. and yet you'll recall republican senator lindsey graham, "people come here to have babies. they come here to drop a child. we can't just have people swimming across the river having children here. that's chaos." the chaos is between your ears. sir. senator graham and others have expressed changing the 14th amendment to the constitution, so children born here do not automatically become u.s. citizens, and those lawmakers call those children anchor babies, because they supposedly pave the way for their undocumented parents. but under u.s. law, those children must be 21 years old before seeking permanent legal residency for their own parents. that is an incredibly slow path to citizenship. a far more efficient one would be simply to marry a u.s. citizen, so maybe they should be calling for the revocation of green card citizenship. let's turn to the professor of politics and african-american studies at princeton university, msnbc contributor, melissa harris-lacewell. professor, good evening. >> hi. good evening. >> another batch of information that will be readily abused? >> well, i mean, data can always be readily abused, as someone who does the empirical work, it's true that data tells us things. it rarely proves things one we or another. and we can read it with a jaundiced eye or we can read it with one that has sort of unone ideological perspective or another. but i do think it's clear from this data, it looks like women who come to the united states as immigrants, whether legally or without documentation are making similar choices as other women about when to have children. in other words, it's a generally pretty sobering decision. it's a tough choice. and by the way, all babies are anchor babies. we certainly hope that children will anchor families and communities and individuals. i certainly know my 8-year-old has anchored the heck out of my life, so babies are anchors in many important ways.s so i think the data y, you know is likely to be misread or misused. >> and yet this lie may be gaining traction. there's a new poll out that shows 49% of americans support changing the 14th amendment in some way and 51% oppose. is this more complex than just classic american sort of cyclicals and phobia? >> it certainly is phobia, but it's got a little eugenics mixed in with it. part of what i see going on here is first a deep misunderstanding about the 14th amendment. and for whom the 14th amendment provided citizenship. and although certainly part of it was about newly freed persons after the civil war, it was also about all americans. in other words, i want americans to pause for a moment and ask themselves, on what basis would you determine citizenship, if not based on where a child is born? so are we willing to go to a kind of genetic grandfather clause for american citizenship? do you have to have two parents who are citizens? how about grandparents? how about great-grandparents? the notion becomes very quickly a racialized one. the idea of who will count as american become s genetic rathe than location. and i think all of us, white americans, black americans, latinos who are in the country as citizens, and people who are here illegally and without documentation should all be worried about such a notion. >> well, if we take it back to its natural extension and its historical extension, it's everybody but native americans are here illegally, one way or another. >> well, hello. again, this question of how far back would one need to be before we start saying, it's okay to be here as an american. >> but when lawmakers like senator graham and house minority leader boehner talk about revoking birthright citizenship, they are, actually, at this moment, at least, targeting mexicans and people of hispanic heritage. do their constituents get that or they don't get that? >> you know, i think part of it is a question about whether or not the democratic party and progressives get who the constituents of this party is. look, there are real issues with the problem of being an undocumented worker. those who are undocumented are less likely to feel free to call the police when they are victimized by crime. women who are in domestic violence situations are lessç likely to turn to community support or to the police. they're less likely to take their children to the doctor. the more that we create a kind of policed state, the more difficult we create life here in the united states for people who are undocumented. i think part of what we need to do is change the discussion around this 14th amendment anchor baby question. i mean, you want to change the 14th amendment, you got that to do. in the meantime, how are we going to create a community here in the united states for citizens and for those who are living here, but not yet citizens, where everyone is safe, can work, will pay into the tax structure. i mean, these are real questions and we need to stop chasing the red herrings around anchor baby drama, provided by the gop. >> melissa harris-lacewell, professor of politics and african-american studies at princeton university, thank you. stay where you are for a second, because i want to show you one of the answers to this. this florida candidate says, treat illegal immigrants the way we treated them in the '40s. by putting them in internment camps because they snuck in. oh, boy. and when rachel joins you at the top of the hour, why birther ora lee tats got a referral to the supreme court. suitcase? 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"told me their god was aqua boo da and that i needed to bow down and worship him. i had to say, i worship you, aqua buddha." she reaffirmed her strange introduction to aqua buddhism. dr. paul has not denied his worship of aqua buddhism. >> you don't even remember that, right? >> well, i'm not going to really try to go back 27 years and remember everything i did in college. >> understood. >> joining me now, via skype, in a "countdown" world exclusive, the aqua buddha. good evening, your dampness. >> yes! yes! refer to me as your dampness, keith. that's exactly the way you need to talk to me. >> how -- how does aqua buddhism differ from regular buddhism, if you don't mind? >> excuse me, aqua buddha needed to drink some aqua. here's the deal, buddhism is a religion of great contemplation. aqua buddhism is the exact opposite. we face theç horrors of life hd on and we sort of accept them. you know, we're sort of an accepting lot. >> can -- can you explain the origins of aqua buddhism, specifically when was the great schism with aqua velva? >> well, to be quite honest, we don't have a problem with aqua velva, it's actually aqua lung, but we really can't talk about that, there's litigation. >> can you explain, perhaps, the ritual that rand paul had carried out? was that prosttizing, chlorin e chlorinating, what was he trying to get the young woman to do and why? >> you hit the nail on the head. it was prost latizing. you can haven't a religion without people. we'll take them from ron paul, rand paul, les paul. just come on by and bring a gift, if you like. >> sounds like the tea party. are you happy with rand paul as the public face of your religion qup >> we're happy with rand paul. we realize he's running for office some place and probably spending a lot of money on bumper sticker sas stickers and. >> rand paul has distanced himself a little bit from aqua buddhism. are you ready to offer him forgiveness? >> we have a saying in aqua buddhism, you give us $100, and we'll forgive you for anything. but it's got to be cash and no check. okay, keith? >> do you have a me think for your followers, particularly to dr. paul? >> well, to everyone, come on board. you know, we love people and to rand paul, we have four words for him. don't tread on aqua buddha. i know that's five words, but you'll give us a by. heck, we love the guy. come on anytime you want, rand. >> aqua buddha, one more question, can you check and see if there's a message, i'm in room 302. aqua buddha, also kno as angry bob, appearing to us via skype. >> that's "countdown" for august 12th, the