interception between the military industrial complex and nasa and space engineers. right? >> there is a two way street between discoveries made in the military, that could benefit nasa and scientists, and discoveries made by scientists that could benefit the military. when you read the history of science and war, the relationship between physicists and warfare is well known. because they make, weapons they know how to make the weapons. especially in the nuclear era. >> they, argument that is, is if you are the u.s. you are the one who controls the rules. >>. yes if china controls space, and we need permission to get to the -- and pay the toll or whatever, it is not clear how much we would take credit for that. that is correct. >> we all want to be optimistic about space. >> captain's, lock start at seven to 09. >> you grew up watching star