americans and movie frontier. that has never driven anything in the history of civilization. you know what has? fear of dying. the war driver. you know what else? the desire to get rich. the money driver. without those two drivers operating at full force, i did together or independently, i don't see it happening. >> you don't see this happening in the near term? >> correct. unless there is a geopolitical force operating, such as what happened with the sputnik. >> a man made celestial, body for the first time in history, overcame terrestrial gravity and flew into space. >> okay. what would that? be china says they just have to make a memo. does not even have to be true. they just have to leak a memo saying they're trying to put new bases on mars. we were there 12 months. three months, to, fund design, build the space station. nine months to take it. there >> you have said that you are concerned about the