americans, and move the frontier. that has never driven anything in the history of civilization. you know what has? fear of dying. the war driver. you know what else? the desire to get rich. the money driver. without those two drivers operating in full force, either together, or independently, i do not see it happening. >> you don't see this happening in the near term? >> correct. unless there is a geopolitical force operating, such as what happened with sputnik. >> a man made celestial body for the first time in history overcame telestrator gravity and flew into space. >> okay. what would that be? china says they just have to leak a memo, it doesn't even have to be true, like a memo saying they want to put military bases on mars. we are there in 12 months. three months to fund, design, build the spaceship, nine months to take it there. >> but you have said you are concerned about the intersection between the