hurt and kill the people that they hated, and so they were always in that. we were infiltrating the clyburn's with undercover agents and trying to arrest them all the time. they have a hatred for everyone, and they really hit the atf in the 88 -- fbi because we were always arresting them, and of course they hate the police, but they try to recruit the police. but just the last thought, you and i have been on too many times and terrorism from radicalized people around the world, and the radicalization methods are not that different, not that different. >> professor, jim kavanaugh use this expression, the history of hate, and say we are seeing this split screen reality of america. on one hand, the 60th anniversary of the march on washington, thousands there today to commemorate that struggle and what that speech was about. but the fulfillment that journey, the fulfillment of that promise again shattered by