overall threat that emerges in this country as a result of what was here. but are you concerned now with the lone wolf radicalization if you will, and this is a expression that we've learned a lot dealing with foreign terrorism when it comes to this country. now this country was trying to see this young man self radicalized or self indoctrinated into this hateful ideology based on what he has red and inspired by perhaps other attacks. but how concerned should we be about the rise of white supremacy? >> we should be very concerned, because it is on the rise. the internet of course has given a number of years and a number of fuel. i went back at one point accounted of the murders in the civil right matters that were on the mend in montgomery, alabama at the southern poverty law center. i counted the number of people killed. i can't remember exactly, but i went through a period of more