could do what much better than ron johnson. >> michael, there's an elephant in the room and perhaps, actually, the elephant is not in the room. what's up with the republicans who don't even bother showing up in these debates? i'm thinking here of marco rubio. a seasoned politician who you would think at this stage in his career would be comfortable enough in debating anybody. but i guess maybe he is still traumatized by what donald trump did it with him on the debate stage in front of all of america. he never wants to step on the debate stage again. >> oh amen. i think from rubio's perspective, they're looking at this and he appears to be in the league for the most part so they're thinking to themselves, why debate when you're likely gonna win this thing? i like val demings, i have some political differences from her. but val demings reminds me of my grandmother. in the ways and how she views politics. i have a lot of respect for her. but i think florida, just like georgia, with stacey abrams in my view. and with peter o'rourke. some of these, ayman, if i can