>> i mean, trump or a villain is -- that's a fun dichotomy to have to take. i would consider him pretty invincible even without a laser to destroy the moon. is it gordon gecko from wall street? >> hayes? >> i'm in the same boat as josh. i really got to say that it's movie villain. that's my guess. final answer. >> kimberly? >> i'll just be con trainer here and say trump. >> kimberly, you're right, it is trump. it feels like an easy one to start with, but you're right, it is him. this guy has the ability to say things like my supporters can go on fifth avenue, shoot someone and they'll get away with it because that's how much they love trump. i mean, that tells you how much of a villain he is. let's talk about january 6th for a moment, kimberly. a lot of republican voters still believe that this insurrection was a bad thing.