of whatnot to do when you're a leader fighting a pandemic. let's welcome back our panel, lizz winstead, does anyone know what they're doing when they're talking about world leaders when it comes to dealing with the virus, has there been anyone you've seen that you're like, that's the kind of leader i want in this situation? >> no, it feels like all of our world leaders are getting their advice from next door. i don't even know what they're doing, who they're talking to. it feels insane. boris johnson's having an m&m orgy, it's a mess, it's a mess. and you can't win because we've been trapped in it for two years, and everybody's profound drive for normalcy is making leaders who have good sense make terrible decisions that are not based in public health, but in