ongoing situation, which is, as you mentioned at that time, had been ongoing for about six or seven hours. and i think it was at that point that there started to be believed that this could end in a nonviolent way. we do know that the authorities, while remaining tight-lipped on the specifics of what was ongoing, say that the negotiations between the man inside, believed to be the only suspect involved here, and the fbi hostage negotiators were ongoing, meaning that it was an ongoing conversation. at no point did they express anything, at least publicly, that these conversations stalled or had to be put on hold. and it was for that reason that they just continued doing what they had been doing throughout the day. we do know that he had remanded their perimeter to a quarter