but you never have to go through a drill where there's gunshot or people running through the hall pretending to be shooters. we don't do that because the only reason you use the high intensity drills is to try and simulate the event, and that we know will cause distress. so we consider that unethical to do to be honest. >> i want to get your final thoughts on this, sari. we're talking a lot about hardening our schools. some have talked about bullet-proof back packs and all kinds of oh steph. it bothers me to talk about it but are we focusing too much on hardening our schools and not the preventive measures that need to be taken? what are your thoughts? what is the best way to make our students safer? >> i think especially with the politicians not listening to us, you know, you see students and adults especially coming out and going to school meetings and speaking to school board officials talking about policies