and nancy pelosi? you know her very well as a person who has covered her. she very firm about the timeline she gives. she does not want to bring votes to the floor that don't have the votes there. was this a bit of a setback for her? >> i'm surprised they held the line because, frankly, there's more of them. they certainly need that number. but going back to the idea of like, blake and mccain bucking the party. bucking the party is not a stance, not an ideology. if she can explain to us, if sinema can explain to us why, what precisely that she was, there could be something to work here. but she's not doing that. so, therefore, it's just like -- the white house is meeting with her all the time. she says they know what i want. we shall like we don't know what you want. explain to us. it's very frustrating. there's one thing of bucking