scenario where putin lashes out and through accident or miscalculation, strikes out at nato. let's get the ukrainians the equipment they need. we're not doing anywhere near enough. >> and to pick up on that, how would you get the fighter jets to ukraine and some of the other super secret, like the switch blade, high-tech weapons without the risk of them being attacked or captured by the russians? >> european command have put together an ad hawk group of 14 other nations. been astonishinglyfective. they're doing cross border by train and convoy. commercially edelivered. there may by other programs being run by european and u.s. intelligence agencies that -- and the you yanians have been so well organized inside the country. they're able to get them distributed to their fighting forces.