member of the biden transition team, former secretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs in the obama administration and fiona hill from 2017 to 2019. she served as deputy assistant to the president and is the author of the celebrated book "there is nothing for you here finding opportunity in the 21st century." chosen by "the new york times" and i think some others as one of the best books of the year. fiona, what does vladimir putin really want? do you have any way of disturbing and divining what is he up to? >> what he's up to at the moment is getting biden's attention. i think starting off with this live fire drill making sure we don't breathe a sigh of relief after the meetings. i think as jake sullivan just said he's certainly holding out the prospect of military intervention. if the talks don't proceed in the direction he's hoping for,