to keep asbestos out of talcum powder. asbestos is a known cancer causer. >> a complex case but a big impact on the people who were victimized there, the alleged victims as well as a lot of other consumers. thanks very much. thanks, pete williams. and joining me now gardner harris who covered johnson & johnson for about a decade in both "the new york times" and "the wall street journal" and is writing a book on the company. let's talk about the origins of this. i am not asking you a legal question, but are we talking about negligence here from johnson & johnson or resistance to being more consumer friendly once they knew of the problem? >> so the history here, andrea, is the history of the company johnson & johnson itself.