should have been impeached, people who believe he should be removed from office, when you ask them why, national security isn't the most top of mind thing that happens. but there is, we've seen it, a very real impact out in the field. >> yeah, i'm not sure if you can win the hearts and minds of people who are not open to rational discussion. i don't happen to think anybody is deplorable, i think we need to continue to engage people who have radically different views of this president and this presidency. and we all hear that pocketbook issues are front and center, but i think we need to talk rationally and civilly about all the issues, the integrity of the president, his willingness to obstruct ongoing congressional investigations, his national security decisions, and how dangerous they really are to the country. i think we need to continue to frame all of these issues in a way that are civil and that