warren, versus joe biden, pete buttigieg. it's one of the reasons kamala harris is no longer in the race, because of health care. it's been a central issue in this primary season and it will continue to be. >> shaq, finally, as you see sort of the lay of the land out there, and we hear, we look at the polls and we say, as joel just pointed out, there's a lot of potential movement, is there? >> yes, without a doubt. and the one thing, i'll tell a quick story, i was in iowa, and we talked to a family who saw elizabeth warren, and they had tears in their eyes, which you forget, we see these events all the time and at the end of this town hall they were touched by what elizabeth warren had to say. it was three people. the daughter said she brought her family there and she was with elizabeth warren. the parents were not but they also had these tears. i spoke to them and asked, well, are you committed to elizabeth warren now, will you caucus for her? and they said, no, we're still considering, we still have an open mind, we're still going to look at the next candidate that comes to town i think that is the sense that you see. you see that in polling, where you have about two-thirds of