concerns me is not on the substance. it's the audience. the audience here really is the american public who hasn't been following us the way we are, and who aren't lawyers. and as a trial lawyer, what i wanted to hear, given the richness and the depth and the overwhelming evidence that was in the intelligence committee report, is, i wanted the public to hear, it's impeachable because on august 9th, donald trump had a conversation with mr. sondland who then says the president wants the announcement. in other words, the direct evidence that puts donald trump right in the middle of doing the very acts that the scholars have said is impeachable. because that's what the public has to understand. >> ari melber? >> i think that they were very effective in taking portions of all of those hearings that america has lived look through,