congressman, as we hit here right now, russia is still attacking our democracy. the next day he picked up the phone and made that call at the heart of his own impeachment. >> this is exactly what the russian government was hoping for. >> one quick point on this because chuck is the most fair minded, elegant, and balanced man i know, and i would say that is the most generous reading and we have evidence that donald trump understood quite well and that giuliani on may 9th saying i'm donald trump's defense attorney, and we're going and digging this up in ukraine. it played on fox news, we can't pretend he didn't hear it, but i think that while it is true that we don't have all of the direct evidence, we have plenty of evidence -- >> we know that even though he