all the discussions with rudy giuliani, that you never put burisma together with the bidens? >> i didn't. and i wasn't paying attention to what mr. giuliani was saying on tv. we were talking to him directly. >> let me ask you this. ambassador volker testified yesterday to a similar epiphany, for lack of a better word. this is what he said. in hindsight, i now understand that others saw the idea of investigating possible corruption with the ukrainian company burisma as equivalent to investigating former president biden. i saw them as being different, the former being unremarkable, the latter being unacceptable. i should have seen it differently and had i done so, i would have raised my own objections. does that sumse up your views a well? >> it does.t