republican -- >> he'sre not a never trumper. >> he really is not. so that will be important to see. in an evidentiary process, you would always want to interview and depose the witness first and then bring him forward in public testimony, so it's not one or the other. i think this might be both. >> what's the political fallout, charlie, if you're a voter in wisconsin which according to poll is one of the battleground states where only 44% support the process. do people have anor open mind a or they locked in? >> i think most people are locked in, but you don't have to move a huge number in a state like wisconsin. if even 3 or 4% of the reluctant trump voters decide this conduct is unacceptable or if they become just exhausted at the prospect of another four years of this president, that will be enough fort, donald trump to lo wisconsin. >> is the best argument for republicans, a rick, that let t voters decide, why go through this, why tear up the country with impeachment in an election