that state, including of cases of rape and incense. >> michelle, i want i could talk to you for much longer because you obviously are an extensive expert there, you also have a wealth of knowledge as it relates to the 14th amendment and the american constitution. let's shift bears there for a moment, i know you're -- and what they will and will not do. should they take up the colorado issue, how do you think they're going to navigate this question about donald trump's eligibility under the 14th amendment in section three? >> it's a great question, it's a fair question, let's be clear, the 14th amendment section three was actually drafted four times like this. we need to understand that it's a reconstruction amendment, it follows the 13th amendment that banned slavery, the people in congress that drafted it more abolitionist, americans don't understand the level of abolitionists that were in congress whose lives had been threatened. charles sumner being one of