each other. because we were so focused on being able to project the right image. the image that america expected us to project. >> it also occurs to me, and as much as they can pick one community against another community, within more inclusive groups like -- it can also put people against each other. what we just heard vivek ramaswamy saying is invoking that statement. the idea that because he succeeded, and achieved, quote unquote, the american dream. they are for that prove that america is a meritocracy where anyone can succeed if they work hard enough. and we just know that's not true. >> we know that's not true. it's also wild to me it was set