putin has successfully distracted us multiple times over the last couple decades. >> david, i want to hear your thoughts as well on what an off-ramp could look like and i want to set that against this reality, which is we have possible war crimes against russia piling up. we learned today that a journalist has been killed. civilians aren't being allowed to leave. health facilities are being bombed. u.s. officials warning of a potential chemical attack. even as we have this conversation about off-ramps, what sort of repercussions might the russian president and russian military leaders face? >> they could face repercussions, but i covered the war in bosnia. there were multiple war crimes, indictments in bosnia, but a peace agreement was negotiated there. so i think there can be an agreement. i think it's been shown on various maps an effort by russia to kind of take control of southern ukraine. that's where, you know, the black seaports, and there's also russian-speaking populations in